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| Session Start: 14 May 2004                                         |
| Participants:                                                      |
|    Bunny (now with added bunny)       |
|    Kay-O-See                             |
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[12:14:13] Kay-O-See: added bunny eh?
[12:14:29] Bunny (now w: yeah balthor arrived in the mail yesterday
[12:14:38] Kay-O-See: balthor?
[12:14:41] Bunny (now w: balthor being the one with me in my profile
           pic
[12:14:45] Kay-O-See: ahhhhh :D
[12:14:51] Bunny (now w: Balthor the defiler no less
[12:14:54] Kay-O-See: Is he...... stout
[12:14:59] Kay-O-See: oh.... defiled :o
[12:15:14] Bunny (now w: or at least thats what we forced the poor
           woman at the bear factory to put on his birth certificate
[12:15:43] Bunny (now w: the look on her face when we cracked out the
           black marker to colour his heart in was priceless
[12:16:05] Kay-O-See: brutal
[12:16:19] Kay-O-See: How's korea?
[12:16:28] Bunny (now w: korea's fine work is shit
[12:16:42] Bunny (now w: and its not helped by korea's farcical labour
           laws
[12:17:12] Bunny (now w: whereby you can get fired but be banned from
           working anywhere else till your original contract runs out
[12:17:41] Bunny (now w: and the same if you resign, even if you work
           your full notice period :/
[12:18:10] Kay-O-See: tricksy
[12:18:17] Bunny (now w: yeah
[12:18:41] Bunny (now w: so basically I fux0red if they want to play
           hardball
[12:18:57] Bunny (now w: because I think my chances of seeing out this
           contract are pretty much nill
[12:20:40] Kay-O-See: :(
[12:20:46] Bunny (now w: for a start apparently I smell :/
[12:20:58] Kay-O-See: really?
[12:21:03] Kay-O-See: have you tried washing
[12:21:06] Kay-O-See: now with SOAP!
[12:21:09] Bunny (now w: well thats what my supervisor told me
[12:21:11] Bunny (now w: lol
[12:21:51] Bunny (now w: umm yeah, using English soap and deoderant
           that kept me odour free for the past 4 years of training
           twice a day
[12:22:15] Bunny (now w: admittedly here I only shower twice a day,
           not 3 times like in england but heh
[12:23:18] Kay-O-See: something smells
[12:23:21] Kay-O-See: and it's korean
[12:23:50] Bunny (now w: like Korea is such a backward country
[12:24:02] Bunny (now w: in philosophies and stuff its untrue
[12:24:17] Bunny (now w: like I don't really wanna stick around that
           much
[12:24:35] Bunny (now w: I'm just at that point int the year where I
           know there are no jobs in japan
[12:24:51] Bunny (now w: another few months though.........
[12:25:05] Bunny (now w: I've been very tempted by comming home as
           well
[12:25:34] Bunny (now w: like if I had any clue what I wanted to do
           when I got back I'dve told them where to insert their job
           already and walked out
[12:25:59] Kay-O-See: hm
[12:26:03] Kay-O-See: s'not easy
[12:26:25] Kay-O-See: how old are you btw?
[12:26:37] Bunny (now w: 22
[12:26:52] Kay-O-See: what's your degree in?
[12:27:07] Bunny (now w: like without getting deep and meaningful I
           don't really have all that much to live for....
[12:27:10] Bunny (now w: Economics
[12:27:29] Bunny (now w: not a good one though :(
[12:27:48] Kay-O-See: oh well
[12:27:53] Kay-O-See: better than nothing
[12:27:55] Kay-O-See: like me!
[12:28:08] Bunny (now w: yeah, don't get me wrong its useful, just not
           that useful
[12:28:37] Bunny (now w: I am seriously thinking about having some
           sort of therapy or councelling when I get home though
[12:29:04] Bunny (now w: like I get depressed alot looking for
           'answers' to life the universe etc ya know
[12:29:38] Bunny (now w: not big style fen depresed just more
           defeatist, like why the fuck do I bother kind of thing
[12:29:54] Kay-O-See: yeah
[12:29:56] Kay-O-See: I know how that is
[12:30:56] Kay-O-See: I take it you don't have religeon?
[12:31:02] Bunny (now w: like we as a species were designed to survive
           nothing more, now that has become too easy
[12:31:05] Bunny (now w: nah
[12:31:23] Bunny (now w: I'm almost open to offers on that one....
[12:31:41] Kay-O-See: don't look at me!
[12:31:48] Bunny (now w: yeah I know
[12:31:51] Kay-O-See: my philosophy is
[12:31:54] Kay-O-See: there can't be a god
[12:31:58] Kay-O-See: that's pretty obvious
[12:32:02] Bunny (now w: well yeah
[12:32:16] Kay-O-See: why the universe is actually doesn't matter, it
           is and always will be beyond our comprehention
[12:32:27] Bunny (now w: like I'm alomst of the pre determined school
           of thought
[12:32:33] Bunny (now w: in fact I am
[12:32:57] Kay-O-See: pre-determined?
[12:33:43] Bunny (now w: well that everything is the reaction to
           stimulus, so assuming you could do away with the problems
           from heisenburg's uncertainty, you could predict the
           future
[12:33:59] Kay-O-See: I agree completely
[12:34:10] Kay-O-See: if you could input every variable into a
           powerful enough computer
[12:34:15] Kay-O-See: you could plot the course of the universe
[12:34:26] Bunny (now w: and so we are just locked into these bodies
           for better or worse, bit like operation wolf..........
[12:35:05] Bunny (now w: just without the option to shoot the
           hostages.....
[12:35:05] Kay-O-See: we are biological machines, we have no
           souls.....  the only reason such an idea came about is
           because, to those that are, it is unthinkable that one day
           we well be not
[12:35:25] Kay-O-See: which is silly really, because we had no
           awareness before we came into being either
[12:35:31] Bunny (now w: yeah
[12:35:49] Kay-O-See: so all that matters is fulfillment within this
           lifetime
[12:36:00] Bunny (now w: it always gets a bit complicted around this
           point.....
[12:36:09] Kay-O-See: I think it's pretty simple
[12:36:17] Bunny (now w: because I don't really know what makes me
           happy
[12:36:21] Kay-O-See: ahhh
[12:36:23] Kay-O-See: of course
[12:36:48] Bunny (now w: well I do and its training and grappling but
           I am not good enough and am not genetically gifted enough
           to make a living from it
[12:37:35] Bunny (now w: so I need a career............. which means
           entering the really real job market
[12:37:48] Bunny (now w: which I found to be remarkably difficult when
           I was in .uk last
[12:38:05] Kay-O-See: yeah I know your position precisely
[12:38:28] Kay-O-See: I think that part of the difficulty is that you
           don't really WANT one of these "careers"
[12:38:33] Kay-O-See: that was the case with me certainly
[12:38:41] Bunny (now w: yup
[12:38:59] Bunny (now w: like I think I want to go into IT
[12:39:09] Bunny (now w: into database design and admin
[12:39:28] Bunny (now w: but I would need to take a couple of years to
           do the reading to get the prof quals to do that
[12:39:49] Bunny (now w: which was what I wanted to do out here,
           instead I' working 50 hrs a week for no real thanks
[12:40:36] Kay-O-See: it's all terribly tricky
[12:41:04] Kay-O-See: and here we are, in bodies designed for survival
           in a world where survival is automatic.....  discussing
           such things in a language originally designed to tell the
           other monkies where the fruit is
[12:41:18] Bunny (now w: this is the crux of the problem
[12:41:32] Bunny (now w: we have won the game
[12:41:49] Bunny (now w: and are now looking for level two which the
           programmers forgot to code
[12:42:23] Kay-O-See: hm
[12:42:28] Kay-O-See: It's so hard
[12:42:33] Kay-O-See: I never solved your problem
[12:42:42] Kay-O-See: I got lucky.....  or perhaps unlucky, as I'm yet
           to see how it turns out
[12:42:50] Kay-O-See: I got caught up in something
[12:42:55] Bunny (now w: true
[12:43:23] Bunny (now w: well like I'm kinda caught up in something I
           just need a job to fund it, and to start saving to do real
           stuff like buy a house and shit
[12:44:39] Bunny (now w: meh and I slpet right thorugh my morning
           off.........
[12:45:26] Kay-O-See: oh well
[12:45:33] Kay-O-See: heh, just went all in with two other guys
[12:45:35] Kay-O-See: QQ beat my AA
[12:45:40] Bunny (now w: stains
[12:45:43] Kay-O-See: stains
[12:45:48] Kay-O-See: on the river as well
[12:45:50] Kay-O-See: we went all in preflop
[12:45:51] Bunny (now w: :(
[12:45:55] Kay-O-See: my AA vs QQ vs ??
[12:45:58] Bunny (now w: ffs, some people
[12:46:03] Kay-O-See: literally
[12:46:07] Kay-O-See: who bets $20 on QQ
[12:46:14] Bunny (now w: not me
[12:46:22] Kay-O-See: vs the guy who re-raises you
[12:46:33] Bunny (now w: was the raise $20
[12:46:39] Kay-O-See: nah
[12:46:42] Kay-O-See: he raised $3
[12:46:48] Kay-O-See: I raised the pot, about $12
[12:46:55] Bunny (now w: hmmm
[12:46:58] Kay-O-See: he goes all in with his $20
[12:47:04] Bunny (now w: might do then...
[12:47:12] Kay-O-See: I can see why...
[12:47:18] Kay-O-See: seems like a call is better
[12:47:20] Bunny (now w: like I think you should probably fold
[12:47:31] Bunny (now w: oh did he reraise....
[12:47:32] Bunny (now w: omg
[12:47:35] Kay-O-See: yeah
[12:47:47] Bunny (now w: sorry I thought you all inned him
[12:47:52] Kay-O-See: heh
[12:48:06] Kay-O-See: I'll win it back off him
[12:48:07] Bunny (now w: like I don't think you fold QQ preflop no
           matter what
[12:48:19] Kay-O-See: no
[12:48:21] Kay-O-See: I dunno
[12:48:24] Kay-O-See: maybe it was okay
[12:48:29] Kay-O-See: whatever, he was bloody lucky!
[12:48:40] Bunny (now w: though tbh, it was pretty much 50/50
[12:48:48] Kay-O-See: not really
[12:49:05] Bunny (now w: its not as far off as you think
[12:51:18] Bunny (now w: meh so hows the larps weaponry slaes thing
           going?
[12:52:09] Kay-O-See: I have an 82.2% chance of winning that btw
[12:52:15] Kay-O-See: according to my poker odds calculator
[12:52:20] Bunny (now w: really?
[12:52:22] Bunny (now w: ok
[12:52:23] Kay-O-See: yeah
[12:52:26] Bunny (now w: wow
[12:52:30] Kay-O-See: he can ONLY win if Q comes up and A doesn't
[12:52:35] Kay-O-See: and there's already 2 Qs up
[12:52:58] Bunny (now w: what surely j,10,9,8 wins it
[12:53:13] Bunny (now w: and uless they are the same suits he can get
           flushes
[12:53:58] Kay-O-See: I have an equal chance of straights and flushes
           to him
[12:54:12] Kay-O-See: also if we flush in the same suit, I win
[12:54:28] Bunny (now w: but "he can ONLY win if Q comes up and A
           doesn't" isn't quite true
[12:54:42] Kay-O-See: well
[12:54:54] Bunny (now w: meh I dunno, I thought it would be nearer 60%
           to you
[12:54:55] Kay-O-See: that's the only remotely likely scenario....  he
           has other outs, but so do I
[12:55:40] Bunny (now w: like I'm in no way saying you aren't
           favourite, just that I'm amazed its as much as 83%
[12:55:51] Kay-O-See: that surprised me a bit too actually
[12:56:11] Kay-O-See: but apparently so
[13:01:05] Kay-O-See: and now the pocket queens river a third for the
           three of a kind to beat my two pairs :s
[13:01:28] Bunny (now w: ho di hum di ho
[13:02:22] Kay-O-See: that one was 90.8% in my favor
[13:02:58] Kay-O-See: we were getting more converastion out of
           philosophy than we are out of poker
[13:03:01] Bunny (now w: luck sucks
[13:03:16] Kay-O-See: weeeeeeeeell....  luck exists only in
           retrospect
[13:03:21] Bunny (now w: true
[13:03:23] Kay-O-See: even a 99% chance isn't certain
[13:03:26] Bunny (now w: luck is a lie
[13:03:32] Kay-O-See: well
[13:03:39] Kay-O-See: "lucky" as a charactaristic is a lie
[13:05:11] Kay-O-See: erk
[13:05:14] Kay-O-See: that was inspired
[13:05:19] Kay-O-See: hand is AJ
[13:05:21] Kay-O-See: flop is AJx
[13:05:25] Kay-O-See: bet the pot
[13:05:28] Kay-O-See: two people see me
[13:05:32] Kay-O-See: river turns up
[13:05:36] Kay-O-See: I suddenly realise
[13:05:40] Kay-O-See: flop was NOT AJx
[13:05:44] Kay-O-See: it was AKx
[13:05:49] Bunny (now w: :/
[13:05:50] Kay-O-See: I hallusinated the J
[13:05:55] Kay-O-See: turns out
[13:05:57] Kay-O-See: no-one else has a king
[13:06:04] Bunny (now w: :)
[13:06:05] Kay-O-See: in retrospect
[13:06:08] Kay-O-See: THAT'S lucky!
[13:06:27] Kay-O-See: man heh
[13:06:32] Kay-O-See: lost the 80% and 90% hands
[13:06:38] Kay-O-See: win it back on the total spazmotron
[13:06:48] Bunny (now w: lol
[13:06:49] Bunny (now w: wp
[13:06:54] Bunny (now w: better lucky than good
[13:07:02] Kay-O-See: so it would seem
[13:07:05] Kay-O-See: so
[13:07:05] Kay-O-See: it
[13:07:06] Kay-O-See: would
[13:07:06] Kay-O-See: seem
[13:07:33] Kay-O-See: that guy who nailed me the first time has just
           sat there since and pissed away all the money he won off
           me
[13:09:05] Kay-O-See: what's the time in korea anyway?
[13:09:23] Bunny (now w: 13.00
[13:09:26] Bunny (now w: morning off
[13:09:31] Bunny (now w: gotta go in at 2
[13:09:40] Kay-O-See: whatcha teaching today?
[13:09:53] Bunny (now w: dunno
[13:09:57] Bunny (now w: same shit I guess
[13:11:02] Bunny (now w: actually most of the classes will have new
           topics today
[13:11:06] Bunny (now w: thinking about it